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Joe and Jimmy are back in the second of two episodes recorded offsite at an undisclosed location, and they get into a touchy subject. Should pastors be paid by their local church? How much should pastors be paid, and how can we determine that amount? And should congregations know what pastors are paid (the answer is yes). Plus, Jimmy is a dandy. Want to skip the small talk? You can skip to the 6:05 mark.


Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary believes that theological education is best done in partnership with the local church. Southeastern’s EQUIP Network empowers churches and ministry organizations to offer accredited and accessible courses to students from the highest level of theological training. The EQUIP Network weds the seminary experience with real life ministry opportunities to provide students with the most integrative ministry training available. Students can fulfill their remaining degree requirements through the online, hybrid, or campus-based classes. Students can earn up to 36 hours of seminary credit in their local church through EQUIP classes. AND if you’re a pastor with an M.Div., you can start an EQUIP center at your church. For more information go to

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